A fetus never uses a woman’s body against her will.
Literally any time a person is pregnant and doesn’t want to be, the fetus is using their body against their will. - Rachel
Um no, not wanting to have something happen is not will.Will is what one allows. A unborn child is in a women’s uterus because of her actions. Even if raped emergency contraception is immediately available at hospitals. Unless a women is held for a week, a pregnancy is by a women’s will. Aside from rape women choose to have sex by their will there for a resulting pregnancy is by their will , there for a fetus is not using her body against her will . A fetus is using a women’s body by her will .
Pregnancy is a result of sex. We all know this. You aren’t discussing anything new here. That being said, consent to sex is absolutely not consent to pregnancy. That is not how consent works. Consenting to being a passenger in a car doesn’t mean that you consent to a car accident.
And before you say “blah blah blah they still consented when they had sex!” Even if that was how it worked, consent can be revoked at any time, for any reason. That’s how it works.
You car analogy because you don’t know the way every one drives. But it is common sense that sex can result in pregnancy . Now if you get in a car with a drunk driver you are consenting to being in a accident. You know the driver is drunk and that him driving can result in a accident. You can’t say a unborn is using your body against your will if it is by your choice it is in your body in the first place. Just like you can’t say you were forced to ride in a car that has a drunk driver when you choose to ride in the car or not.
Um, no pregnancy does require on going consent because the act is being performed by your body and the only other individual is a baby which doesn’t have any choice in the matter. So consent doesn’t even apply in this matter.
Your response to my car statement makes 0 sense. Even if getting into a car with a drunk driver is “consenting to being in a car accident,” you wouldn’t withhold medical care from that passenger. So if “consent to sex is consent to pregnancy,” then you wouldn’t withhold medical care from them, either, and that medical care can include abortion, whether you like it or not.
There is no such thing as “on-going consent” when it comes to unwanted pregnancies because that’s not how consent works, and it absolutely does apply. Consent needs to be constant and willing from the person carrying the fetus, and if it isn’t, then that fetus is absolutely using the pregnant person’s body against their will. I don’t have the right to do that, you don’t have that right. A fetus shouldn’t, either.
People who don’t get that consent must be constant and willing creep me the fuck out. Stay 100,000 feet away from me forever with that ass-backwards mindset.
Medical care is irrelevant to the choice of getting in the car and pregnancy is not a injury. Medical care is given to people that need it even if you intentionally shoot your self in the head. But with that said abortion is not medical care there is nothing wrong health wise with being pregnant. Pregnancy is a natural process . Saying abortion is health care is like saying smashing a bulb is turning it off. Abortion is equivalent to a voluntary boob job.
No consent doesn’t apply in the case of pregnancy because the one other individual is a baby that has no choice in its situation. And your body doesn’t need consent to preform bodily functions. Just like a child a unborn would not be able to consent to be killed under the law . There for a unborn will always automatically consent not to be killed. You have consented to creating the child, if abortion was tested by the laws already on the books abortion would be consider manslaughter or murder ,neglect, or abuse.
well you should stay away from your self because you obviously don’t know there are several forms of consent for all situations, not just one form.
"Pregnancy isn’t an injury. There is nothing wrong health wise about being pregnant" Someone who doesn’t know anything about pregnancy.
Also you’re little “pregnancy can’t be an injury cause it’s a natural process” is bullshit cause with that logic we should deny people chemotherapy. Cancer is a natural process just like thousands of other medical conditions, does that mean they should be denied help?
You say I don’t know anything about pregnancy without any evidence to back it up. You quote me saying that pregnancy is a natural process and is not a health problem. Just because you disagree with that statement doesn’t make it wrong . you must make a argument why it is wrong.
Cancer is the reproduction of damaged cells. Damaged cells are not a natural process. Natural doesn’t mean common, it means simply abnormal to what nature intended to happen.
Other medical conditions and injuries are just that ,abnormal to what nature intended. They get medical attention because the average healthy human does not have those conditions. If you go to a doctor and say you are pregnant he going to tell you congrats, not you need abortion now.
A natural process is just a process which is done naturally (without intervention of humans). And what defines “what nature intended”? It seems like a very broad and arbitrary thing to say so your going to have to elaborate. Not to mention your definition of nature makes no sense whatsoever.
If I must back up my first claim with facts then fine. I concluded that you know nothing about pregnancy because you made the statement: “There is nothing wrong health wise with be pregnant”, when in fact 250,000 - 343,000 women will die each year from pregnancy and childbirth. I’m not even going to bother going on about the permanent damage pregnancy can do to a persons body, how pregnant people are much more likely to be abused, and the large amount of complications that can arise during pregnancy.
Look bottom line is that cancer is abnormal in a healthy persons body and pregnancy is not.
Also women who get pregnant don’t die from being pregnant. They die from complications while pregnant. Complication that are often due to the health of the mother. Any complication or cause of death during pregnancy is caused by a abnormal condition during pregnancy. A pregnancy is not a medical condition that needs to be fixed. complications are not caused by pregnancy.
Source? And what defines abnormal? Not the norm? Because considering 1 in 3 women and 1 in 2 men will have cancer at some point in their life one could say that cancer is normal. And medical complications that result in a pregnant persons death are caused by pregnancy, if they’re not then pregnancy has aggravated pre-existing conditions. No matter how you look at it pregnancy is a big health risk and there is no room for discussion on that.
If you are going to make ridiculous claims could you at least back them up?